Brainstorming, Plot Ideas, and Story Help
Quote from Heatherlly on February 28, 2023, 3:52 pmThe other day, I made this request in the "WTF Did I Just Read?" thread:
I'd like to read a story where Lily and James are together, he's physically (and possibly sexually) abusive, and she's stuck with him against her will (and/or was coerced into being with him in the first place). I'd like for Severus to be the one who rescues her from that situation, with (preferably) the two of them ending up together.
In other words, I want a story with dark/disturbing elements, but I don't want Severus to be the cause of them. I want the core relationship (Severus/Lily) to be a healthy/positive one, a story where he definitely isn't the bad guy.
I haven't found anything that fits that criteria, but it did give me an idea for a story.
We know that Lily initially hated James. That persisted for years, only changing when he (supposedly) became a better person. I've always found that a bit dodgy, not only because we know James was lying, but it doesn't quite fit Lily as a character. I find it hard to believe that it was a normal/healthy situation where she 100% wanted to be with him. There are just too many red flags, up to and including the fact that we know he could be manipulative/coercive. He also threatened her with physical harm ("Don't make me hex you, Evans") for trying to protect her best friend.
I did explore this manipulative side in Veritas Omnia Vincit. In that story, James is gay and (secretly) involved with Sirius, but he feels obligated to get married/produce an heir to continue the Potter bloodline. He chooses Lily for multiple reasons, though the biggest one (and why he pursued her for so many years) was to hurt Snape.
That said, this version of James isn't 100% bad. There were lines I wouldn't cross (e.g. physical abuse), and he does redeem himself toward the end. Overall, I was happy with the way I wrote him, but yeah… I think it would be interesting/fun to write a darker version.
MY IDEA:
Lily continues to reject James's advances after her falling out with Snape. He gets increasingly frustrated until finally (seventh year), he decides to try something more drastic. He starts slipping her love potions, right up to the point where she agrees to get married.
Obviously, this is a call back to Merope Gaunt. Like her, James convinces himself that Lily has fallen/will fall in love with him for real. After the wedding, he stops giving her the potion, only to realize that her real feelings haven't changed at all. She dislikes him as much as she ever did, only it's worse now because she knows he's been drugging her. Understandably, her first impulse is to leave/get the marriage annulled, but there's a problem.
James can't have that.
It would be a massive embarrassment, for one thing. His pride can't handle such a public rejection, and it would be even worse if she told people what he'd done. For the first time, it occurs to him that he could even be in legal trouble, up to and including a stay in Azkaban. Obviously, he can't let that happen.
More than that, he's obsessed with Lily. What started off as a normal crush has become far darker and more sinister, a single-minded determination to have what he wants. James is nothing if not entitled, used to being given everything he asks for and more. His desire for Lily is no exception… he can neither comprehend or forgive her continued rejection.
This is the set up for what would turn into an extremely abusive relationship. He resents/punishes Lily for not wanting him, controlling her to the point where she cannot escape. I won't get into too much detail here, but yeah… this one would come with a long list of content warnings.
ENTER SEVERUS
Severus happens to see Lily and James out in public at some point. He watches them from a distance, and as someone who grew up in an abusive household, he recognizes certain signs. He tries to tell himself that it's none of his business, that maybe he was mistaken, but he can't help it. It eats at him to the point where he knows he has to do something.
I'm not sure what that something would be yet, though I'm thinking he'd either send his Patronus or ask Dumbledore for help. With the first option, he'd also be revealing his love for Lily. If I went with the second, Dumbledore would refuse to believe him.
I don't want to give away anything beyond that, but yeah… it would be a story where Lily ends up with Severus, and a demonstrably evil version of James gets exactly what's coming to him.
😏
The other day, I made this request in the "WTF Did I Just Read?" thread:
I'd like to read a story where Lily and James are together, he's physically (and possibly sexually) abusive, and she's stuck with him against her will (and/or was coerced into being with him in the first place). I'd like for Severus to be the one who rescues her from that situation, with (preferably) the two of them ending up together.
In other words, I want a story with dark/disturbing elements, but I don't want Severus to be the cause of them. I want the core relationship (Severus/Lily) to be a healthy/positive one, a story where he definitely isn't the bad guy.
I haven't found anything that fits that criteria, but it did give me an idea for a story.
We know that Lily initially hated James. That persisted for years, only changing when he (supposedly) became a better person. I've always found that a bit dodgy, not only because we know James was lying, but it doesn't quite fit Lily as a character. I find it hard to believe that it was a normal/healthy situation where she 100% wanted to be with him. There are just too many red flags, up to and including the fact that we know he could be manipulative/coercive. He also threatened her with physical harm ("Don't make me hex you, Evans") for trying to protect her best friend.
I did explore this manipulative side in Veritas Omnia Vincit. In that story, James is gay and (secretly) involved with Sirius, but he feels obligated to get married/produce an heir to continue the Potter bloodline. He chooses Lily for multiple reasons, though the biggest one (and why he pursued her for so many years) was to hurt Snape.
That said, this version of James isn't 100% bad. There were lines I wouldn't cross (e.g. physical abuse), and he does redeem himself toward the end. Overall, I was happy with the way I wrote him, but yeah… I think it would be interesting/fun to write a darker version.
MY IDEA:
Lily continues to reject James's advances after her falling out with Snape. He gets increasingly frustrated until finally (seventh year), he decides to try something more drastic. He starts slipping her love potions, right up to the point where she agrees to get married.
Obviously, this is a call back to Merope Gaunt. Like her, James convinces himself that Lily has fallen/will fall in love with him for real. After the wedding, he stops giving her the potion, only to realize that her real feelings haven't changed at all. She dislikes him as much as she ever did, only it's worse now because she knows he's been drugging her. Understandably, her first impulse is to leave/get the marriage annulled, but there's a problem.
James can't have that.
It would be a massive embarrassment, for one thing. His pride can't handle such a public rejection, and it would be even worse if she told people what he'd done. For the first time, it occurs to him that he could even be in legal trouble, up to and including a stay in Azkaban. Obviously, he can't let that happen.
More than that, he's obsessed with Lily. What started off as a normal crush has become far darker and more sinister, a single-minded determination to have what he wants. James is nothing if not entitled, used to being given everything he asks for and more. His desire for Lily is no exception… he can neither comprehend or forgive her continued rejection.
This is the set up for what would turn into an extremely abusive relationship. He resents/punishes Lily for not wanting him, controlling her to the point where she cannot escape. I won't get into too much detail here, but yeah… this one would come with a long list of content warnings.
ENTER SEVERUS
Severus happens to see Lily and James out in public at some point. He watches them from a distance, and as someone who grew up in an abusive household, he recognizes certain signs. He tries to tell himself that it's none of his business, that maybe he was mistaken, but he can't help it. It eats at him to the point where he knows he has to do something.
I'm not sure what that something would be yet, though I'm thinking he'd either send his Patronus or ask Dumbledore for help. With the first option, he'd also be revealing his love for Lily. If I went with the second, Dumbledore would refuse to believe him.
I don't want to give away anything beyond that, but yeah… it would be a story where Lily ends up with Severus, and a demonstrably evil version of James gets exactly what's coming to him.
😏
Quote from The Gestalt Prince on February 28, 2023, 4:41 pmI've mentioned this fic before, but Lily's Worst Memory by Rago Dragovian comes to mind when it comes to James mentally manipulating Lily, even though it's at the very end. In isolation, this might be the first time he's done something like this, but going with your idea, it's possible that this has happened more than once (but perhaps the first time Sirius has seen this).
I've mentioned this fic before, but Lily's Worst Memory by Rago Dragovian comes to mind when it comes to James mentally manipulating Lily, even though it's at the very end. In isolation, this might be the first time he's done something like this, but going with your idea, it's possible that this has happened more than once (but perhaps the first time Sirius has seen this).
Quote from Heatherlly on February 28, 2023, 4:53 pmOh yeah, I remember you recommending that one. I didn't realize it was so short – will give it a read later tonight. 💚
Oh yeah, I remember you recommending that one. I didn't realize it was so short – will give it a read later tonight. 💚
Quote from Krystal on March 1, 2023, 12:13 am@thegestaltprince, this reminds me of a one shot fic I read whose name I can't remember. Basically some Slytherin boys tried to sexually harass Lily in their sixth year, James and Sirius got defeated by them and Snape came to rescue. After rescuing Lily, he went away and James obliviated the whole incident from Lily's mind claiming that she shouldn't remember something aweful but she also forgot about Snape rescuing her and James consoled her. It was supposedly a Jily fic yet James' actions seemed wrong in my eyes.
@thegestaltprince, this reminds me of a one shot fic I read whose name I can't remember. Basically some Slytherin boys tried to sexually harass Lily in their sixth year, James and Sirius got defeated by them and Snape came to rescue. After rescuing Lily, he went away and James obliviated the whole incident from Lily's mind claiming that she shouldn't remember something aweful but she also forgot about Snape rescuing her and James consoled her. It was supposedly a Jily fic yet James' actions seemed wrong in my eyes.
Quote from The Gestalt Prince on March 1, 2023, 12:14 amI will never understand why some pro-Jily shippers would think something like that is acceptable.
I will never understand why some pro-Jily shippers would think something like that is acceptable.
Quote from Krystal on March 1, 2023, 12:17 amQuote from The Gestalt Prince on March 1, 2023, 12:14 amI will never understand why some pro-Jily shippers would think something like that is acceptable.
When James stalks Lily and hounds her for dates, they call him adorable yet when Snape dedicates his life for protecting her son secretly, they call him 'incel'.
Quote from The Gestalt Prince on March 1, 2023, 12:14 amI will never understand why some pro-Jily shippers would think something like that is acceptable.
When James stalks Lily and hounds her for dates, they call him adorable yet when Snape dedicates his life for protecting her son secretly, they call him 'incel'.
Quote from Heatherlly on March 2, 2023, 2:46 amQuote from The Gestalt Prince on February 28, 2023, 4:41 pmI've mentioned this fic before, but Lily's Worst Memory by Rago Dragovian comes to mind when it comes to James mentally manipulating Lily, even though it's at the very end. In isolation, this might be the first time he's done something like this, but going with your idea, it's possible that this has happened more than once (but perhaps the first time Sirius has seen this).
Just read it, and OMG, James SUUUUCKS. Seriously, WTF?
Quote from The Gestalt Prince on February 28, 2023, 4:41 pmI've mentioned this fic before, but Lily's Worst Memory by Rago Dragovian comes to mind when it comes to James mentally manipulating Lily, even though it's at the very end. In isolation, this might be the first time he's done something like this, but going with your idea, it's possible that this has happened more than once (but perhaps the first time Sirius has seen this).
Just read it, and OMG, James SUUUUCKS. Seriously, WTF?
Quote from The Gestalt Prince on March 2, 2023, 2:49 amYeah, pretty awful, isn't it?
Yeah, pretty awful, isn't it?
Quote from Heatherlly on March 2, 2023, 2:50 am
Quote from Naaga on March 10, 2023, 1:16 pmWhile I can't write for my ideas, I wish there was something like a What If? Snape... series of fics, some sort of one-shots scenario written if Snape took different decisions in vital moments of his life and their consequences. Some of my scenarios include :
- What if Snape didn't meet Lily
- What if Snape chose a different compartment in Hogwarts express for first ride to Hogwarts
- What if Snape sorted into Gryffindor
- What if Snape died in Shrieking Shack from werewolf Lupin
- What if Snape didn't call Lily 'mudblood'
- What if Snape left the Hogwarts after SWM for another wizarding school
- What if Snape didn't give the Prophecy
- What if Snape found truth about Pettigrew
There can be countless scenario, these came foremost in my mind.
While I can't write for my ideas, I wish there was something like a What If? Snape... series of fics, some sort of one-shots scenario written if Snape took different decisions in vital moments of his life and their consequences. Some of my scenarios include :
- What if Snape didn't meet Lily
- What if Snape chose a different compartment in Hogwarts express for first ride to Hogwarts
- What if Snape sorted into Gryffindor
- What if Snape died in Shrieking Shack from werewolf Lupin
- What if Snape didn't call Lily 'mudblood'
- What if Snape left the Hogwarts after SWM for another wizarding school
- What if Snape didn't give the Prophecy
- What if Snape found truth about Pettigrew
There can be countless scenario, these came foremost in my mind.