Snape and Lily: Same patronuses, or mirror patronuses?
Quote from Amal zia on September 20, 2024, 6:03 pmThe point is nature is complicated and one needs to think and reflect before writing.
Snape and lily were best friends and had the mirror patronuses which are doe.
Both Snape and lily desired similar desires ironically despite choosing different sides.
They desired protection.
Doe are known for desire for protection, validation from others and gentle natures.
In their own way both Snape and lily possessed die traits but of different self expressions.
Liliy possessed traditional doe traits but Snape possessed unconventional traits of doe.
Liliy possessed desire for protection, emotional depth, caring nature, protective instincts, gentlessness, dislike for violence and submissiveness and imagination.
Snape possessed creativity , gentlessness, protective instincts, emotional depth, dislike for violence, imagination and desire for protection but unlike her he is not submissive.
Afterall liliy early marriage to James was likely due to self protection afterall it seems unlikely she would have married him if she didn't lose her friendship with Snape as all memories of lily show a highly submissive person not someone who can be of any practical use.
She tried to stop Snape bullying but is impractical showing a submissive stance by being only verbally active but not practically.
She demands from James to take the spell of but doesn't bring her wand out until she is forced to showing a hesitant even fearful nature unlike Snape more productive active one.
Liliy doesn't seem to like violence as her stances are emotional not physical even in her death we see submissiveness highlighting doe nature.
Liliy wanted stability so she married James likely drawn to his stag like dominance and protective instincts while Snape was more unconventional yet someone whose emotional depth liliy was drawn to it, intensity in other words.
Snape tried to be active even when he faced bullying as seen in his attack on James while liliy was the vocal critic.
In many ways I believe Snape joined because he wanted protection and for self exploration not due to desire for affection of lord Voldemort.
Afterall he is the only one who has nothing to gain by lord Voldemort at least unlike others family backgrounds.
He doesn't need his affection or protection for his family or even materialistic power it's likely knowledge that drew him as Snape never really took revenge from his bullies I doubth he would have likely due to his self control.
He cared about his soul.
Snape was an unpleasant man in many ways not a bad man no one is holistically bad.
His doe patronus shows remarkable character depth.
Snape disliked violence as seen in spinner end chapter.
His focus on words not physical aggression and then his friendship with liliy and emotional femine woman and even narcissa who he respected deeply shows someone who is gentle at heart as woman are delicate in feelings.
And it takes a lot of courage to be best friends with a woman like liliy who was emotionally reactive.
The friendship lasted because of Snape own maturity too not just liliy.
Consudering it's interesting how many patronuses reveal about them if sees especially in Snape worst memory.
James stag shows arrogance pride and king of jungle while snape shows vulnerability, emotional depth and liliy shows emotionalism, vulnerability and submissiveness.
Afterall it's interesting that the stag bullies the doe not the other way around and well Snape later on the doe bullies the stag which is harry.
James desire for dominance over Snape shows his desire for validation and admiration from the crowd including liliy.
The way he is trying to impress liliy strikingly demonstrates stags mating habits how they show their territory and well liliy isn't impressed by him but is submissive in front of sirius and James showing submissiveness in front of more masculine men in contrast to Snape because Snape allowed her freedom for emotional expression in a sense no one else did.
We see in their argument when Snape becomes emotional when he assumes or perhaps senses liliy interest in James heroic deed as Snape is a leglimence.
She stands her ground by saying: let me? Let me?
Her eyes turn into slits showing a deep physical and emotional reaction highlighting her emotional reactivity and expressive nature while Snape says or backtracks.
I didn't mean ....
Well we see Snape changes the direction allowing liliy to keep her stance but also tries to clarify.
I know readers assume that it's liliy who is the moral compass but that's misguided because Snape intellect, authencity and lack of concern about others make him a better moral compass then her while liliy was someone who would stand for her beliefs she was more emotional then thinking things through.
Snape was astute meanwhile liliy was someone with deep emotional intuition.
She could sense moods shifting not necessary understanding why unlike Snape more astute understanding.
In the compartment scene we see her being embrassed for Snape when Sirius insults him and she claims come on Severus let's find another compartment she leaves and he follows.
We see lily here as someone who understands the change but not necessary while again a sort of submissiveness she represents.
In the bullying scene she asks James to take of the spell off from snape not bringing her wand until she is forced too again highlighting a submissive and reluctant stance in situations where physical confrontation is necessary.
Her submissiveness in her stance against lord Voldemort she begs him to spare harry which while understandable is more reactive and emotional unlike James stance which was traditionally masculine because the way the characters died show a lot about their temperament, role and effect which Rowling was trying to highlight.
James stance is more aggressive, reactive not conscious but protective in physical sense while liliy trues to shield harry showing a protective but emotional reaction.
Her scream, her tears again highlight her emotional nature while her begging shows her submissiveness.
I know many readers might say it's to be expected while true is also essential to remember that every character doesn't react the same as temoemebts do matter even in tense situations and liliy and James have a similar reacting patterns through our their teenage, childhood and adult years till what we have seen of them.
While Snape death represents resourcefulness in time of deep darkness.
Snape is bleeding but he tries to stop his wound until he sees harry he quickly grabs him and tells him to take tears that pour out of his eyes showing resourcefulness at the time of death in fact very few people would have highlighting his assertive approach even in submissiveness yet Also his ability to take his pride of him unlike James similar to liliy but his self expression is different.
Even when Snape is being bullied he tries to defend himself showing willingness to confront situations heading a trait he shows as a spy.
It's interesting what these characters patronuses, death show about them.
The point is nature is complicated and one needs to think and reflect before writing.
Snape and lily were best friends and had the mirror patronuses which are doe.
Both Snape and lily desired similar desires ironically despite choosing different sides.
They desired protection.
Doe are known for desire for protection, validation from others and gentle natures.
In their own way both Snape and lily possessed die traits but of different self expressions.
Liliy possessed traditional doe traits but Snape possessed unconventional traits of doe.
Liliy possessed desire for protection, emotional depth, caring nature, protective instincts, gentlessness, dislike for violence and submissiveness and imagination.
Snape possessed creativity , gentlessness, protective instincts, emotional depth, dislike for violence, imagination and desire for protection but unlike her he is not submissive.
Afterall liliy early marriage to James was likely due to self protection afterall it seems unlikely she would have married him if she didn't lose her friendship with Snape as all memories of lily show a highly submissive person not someone who can be of any practical use.
She tried to stop Snape bullying but is impractical showing a submissive stance by being only verbally active but not practically.
She demands from James to take the spell of but doesn't bring her wand out until she is forced to showing a hesitant even fearful nature unlike Snape more productive active one.
Liliy doesn't seem to like violence as her stances are emotional not physical even in her death we see submissiveness highlighting doe nature.
Liliy wanted stability so she married James likely drawn to his stag like dominance and protective instincts while Snape was more unconventional yet someone whose emotional depth liliy was drawn to it, intensity in other words.
Snape tried to be active even when he faced bullying as seen in his attack on James while liliy was the vocal critic.
In many ways I believe Snape joined because he wanted protection and for self exploration not due to desire for affection of lord Voldemort.
Afterall he is the only one who has nothing to gain by lord Voldemort at least unlike others family backgrounds.
He doesn't need his affection or protection for his family or even materialistic power it's likely knowledge that drew him as Snape never really took revenge from his bullies I doubth he would have likely due to his self control.
He cared about his soul.
Snape was an unpleasant man in many ways not a bad man no one is holistically bad.
His doe patronus shows remarkable character depth.
Snape disliked violence as seen in spinner end chapter.
His focus on words not physical aggression and then his friendship with liliy and emotional femine woman and even narcissa who he respected deeply shows someone who is gentle at heart as woman are delicate in feelings.
And it takes a lot of courage to be best friends with a woman like liliy who was emotionally reactive.
The friendship lasted because of Snape own maturity too not just liliy.
Consudering it's interesting how many patronuses reveal about them if sees especially in Snape worst memory.
James stag shows arrogance pride and king of jungle while snape shows vulnerability, emotional depth and liliy shows emotionalism, vulnerability and submissiveness.
Afterall it's interesting that the stag bullies the doe not the other way around and well Snape later on the doe bullies the stag which is harry.
James desire for dominance over Snape shows his desire for validation and admiration from the crowd including liliy.
The way he is trying to impress liliy strikingly demonstrates stags mating habits how they show their territory and well liliy isn't impressed by him but is submissive in front of sirius and James showing submissiveness in front of more masculine men in contrast to Snape because Snape allowed her freedom for emotional expression in a sense no one else did.
We see in their argument when Snape becomes emotional when he assumes or perhaps senses liliy interest in James heroic deed as Snape is a leglimence.
She stands her ground by saying: let me? Let me?
Her eyes turn into slits showing a deep physical and emotional reaction highlighting her emotional reactivity and expressive nature while Snape says or backtracks.
I didn't mean ....
Well we see Snape changes the direction allowing liliy to keep her stance but also tries to clarify.
I know readers assume that it's liliy who is the moral compass but that's misguided because Snape intellect, authencity and lack of concern about others make him a better moral compass then her while liliy was someone who would stand for her beliefs she was more emotional then thinking things through.
Snape was astute meanwhile liliy was someone with deep emotional intuition.
She could sense moods shifting not necessary understanding why unlike Snape more astute understanding.
In the compartment scene we see her being embrassed for Snape when Sirius insults him and she claims come on Severus let's find another compartment she leaves and he follows.
We see lily here as someone who understands the change but not necessary while again a sort of submissiveness she represents.
In the bullying scene she asks James to take of the spell off from snape not bringing her wand until she is forced too again highlighting a submissive and reluctant stance in situations where physical confrontation is necessary.
Her submissiveness in her stance against lord Voldemort she begs him to spare harry which while understandable is more reactive and emotional unlike James stance which was traditionally masculine because the way the characters died show a lot about their temperament, role and effect which Rowling was trying to highlight.
James stance is more aggressive, reactive not conscious but protective in physical sense while liliy trues to shield harry showing a protective but emotional reaction.
Her scream, her tears again highlight her emotional nature while her begging shows her submissiveness.
I know many readers might say it's to be expected while true is also essential to remember that every character doesn't react the same as temoemebts do matter even in tense situations and liliy and James have a similar reacting patterns through our their teenage, childhood and adult years till what we have seen of them.
While Snape death represents resourcefulness in time of deep darkness.
Snape is bleeding but he tries to stop his wound until he sees harry he quickly grabs him and tells him to take tears that pour out of his eyes showing resourcefulness at the time of death in fact very few people would have highlighting his assertive approach even in submissiveness yet Also his ability to take his pride of him unlike James similar to liliy but his self expression is different.
Even when Snape is being bullied he tries to defend himself showing willingness to confront situations heading a trait he shows as a spy.
It's interesting what these characters patronuses, death show about them.