Lily and the confessional in The Prince’s Tale
In The Prince's Tale, Lily's angry, complaining, and cynical appearance seemed like a memory of Snape regretting that he had done something mistake to Lily that made her like this. For almost six years, Snape had been Lily's close friend. For Snape, the memory of Lily itself may be a happy memory, but honestly, that is not the case for readers who appreciate <The Prince's Tale>. Even Harry, who saw the memory, seemed frustrated by the situation. To put it bluntly, the chapter seemed to be a compilation of Harry's mistakes and the negative memories of his friends from books 1 to 7 of Harry Potter. It would have been nice to once have a memory of a really fun day with no bad incidents, but I didn't want to show that to Harry. It was mainly about bad memories, as if they were telling me to curse while looking at them.
“Snape and Lily’s negative memories and mistakes = Harry and Hermione Ron’s negative memories and mistakes”
(Hermione says it's natural for cats to catch mice, Ron says bad things about Harry and Hermione, Ginny says bad things about Fleur, and when Neville suggests that Harry do his vampire homework together, Harry lies. Neville is left alone.)
“Memories of calling her a witch during their first meeting ~ Memories of dropping a twig on Petunia ~ Incidents of seeing her letter with Lily ~ Incidents of Mulciber ~ Incidents of Mudblood ~ Incidents of imparting a prophecy”
I think Harry didn't see Lily's memory itself, but rather a memory of Snape regretting his mistakes. “I wish I had acted differently in that moment” <<<<
The reason I think so is because, aside from the lake incident and accidentally cutting off George Weasley's ear, the depiction of Snape's childhood and school years contains nothing that would make Snape feel sympathy as an innocent victim(POV lily). Excluding the story of Snape's work as a professor and spy, if you only write about the time you spent with Lily among your childhood and school days.
if I only talk about the time I spent with Lily during my childhood and school days, Even if you think mainly about what happened to Petunia, it is true that Snape was the primary victim of Petunia's insults. But when Snape saw Lily get angry about something he said, he thought it was a 'childhood miscommunication'. Even thinking about the incident where a tree branch fell. Snape denied it, saying 'I didn't do it,' but Lily said it was a lie and left angrily. At that time, Snape looked very distressed. He seemed to be thinking what the problem was.
Abused at home by his father and ostracized for seven years at Hogwarts, even the werewolf incident was only talked about after the incident. The key was just the memory of making a mistake and making Lily angry.
Crucially, it is the memory of the day Snape killed Dumbledore and went to the Black family mansion, mentally and emotionally weakened. Harry saw Snape's last little act of greed, a memory of him tearing up the photo he should have received. If you look at The Prince's Tale as a story about Snape confessing his sins, I think Snape himself thought that tearing up the photo was wrong and included it as a memory that needed to be revealed. Snape hated Harry, but he admitted without justification that he was not a good person for Harry, as he told Professor Slughorn that he had never taught Harry well. So I think that after he died, he showed not only Lily but also Harry what he had done wrong.
In this way there is a work to illustrate as an example her confession just before her death, in the story of Fate/GO the witch Morgan le Fay recalls her own past just before her death . The story writer describes this as a ‘confession’ shown to the player. She reveals her memories of her past only to the player 'looking at the screen', revealing her whole truth about herself and the seeds of her own sin. Her own story of how, despite knowing her own flaws and the weight of her sins, she committed evil deeds and ultimately protected her country. It was up to the player appreciating her games to sympathize with her or criticize.
So, the memories that Snape showed Harry were the mistakes he made when he first met her as a child and the moment of greatest guilt after their breakup. He hates Harry until the moment he dies, without any intention of asking for forgiveness, and Snape never regrets the mistakes he did to Harry... but he still showed the mistakes and sins he acknowledged. I think of all of this as a 'sacrament of confession.' Snape's regrets that the author shows to readers who appreciate them outside of the story. I thought about the ultimate meaning of the prince's story when I saw JK Rowling's tweet about Snape wanting to atone for his sins. I think this is my conclusion.
For reference, as a reader outside the story. I think it was a truly courageous act to show only those memories to Harry, who hated and loathed himself. People who felt little sympathy for Snape or who did not like him viewed his past actions as bad, and even the fact that he continued to have unrequited feelings for a married woman. Some people don't understand why he is brave. Snape himself would never have thought that he would be forgiven and respected by Harry. “He was the bravest man I ever knew.” In this way, the prince's story continues to be told.
I think Prince's Tale is quite complex. And yes, I think his moments upto his breakup of friendship with Lily were the moments where he thought he fucked up.
But I think ultimate objective of the memories were to make Harry, a child whom Snape hated and vice versa sacrifice himself.
I felt he wanted to tell Harry that Lily was dear to him, he loathed Harry and he was really serious about protecting him for her sake. He also presented a side of himself full of remorse for his DE past and how his many actions were done to make up for it, like saying he watched people die whom he couldn't save, trying to save Lupin in chase, oath to protect students of Hogwarts.
Things he wanted to convey to Harry:
- He loved Lily.
- He made mistakes in his youth and his struggles of youth.
- His reason for turning towards Dumbledore and protecting Harry
- His bravery for going to spy on Dumbledore when Dumbledore gave him an out, Dumbledore was so impressed to have said perhaps we sort too soon.
- His reason for killing Dumbledore.
- Snape's aid for Harry for sword and how it was Snape's patronus.
- Snape's disgust for Dumbledore sacrificing Harry, a child Snape hated and protected for Lily's sake yet had to be done for killing Voldemort.
I think that's why he didn't show happy memories, because Snape had to complete a picture for his character and his motivations to make Harry sacrifice himself, happy memories served no purpose for Snape's objective. And yes, completely agree about picture of regrets to make Harry understand him.
Quote from Naaga on March 15, 2024, 1:55 pmI think Prince's Tale is quite complex. And yes, I think his moments upto his breakup of friendship with Lily were the moments where he thought he fucked up.
But I think ultimate objective of the memories were to make Harry, a child whom Snape hated and vice versa sacrifice himself.
I felt he wanted to tell Harry that Lily was dear to him, he loathed Harry and he was really serious about protecting him for her sake. He also presented a side of himself full of remorse for his DE past and how his many actions were done to make up for it, like saying he watched people die whom he couldn't save, trying to save Lupin in chase, oath to protect students of Hogwarts.
Things he wanted to convey to Harry:
- He loved Lily.
- He made mistakes in his youth and his struggles of youth.
- His reason for turning towards Dumbledore and protecting Harry
- His bravery for going to spy on Dumbledore when Dumbledore gave him an out, Dumbledore was so impressed to have said perhaps we sort too soon.
- His reason for killing Dumbledore.
- Snape's aid for Harry for sword and how it was Snape's patronus.
- Snape's disgust for Dumbledore sacrificing Harry, a child Snape hated and protected for Lily's sake yet had to be done for killing Voldemort.
I think that's why he didn't show happy memories, because Snape had to complete a picture for his character and his motivations to make Harry sacrifice himself, happy memories served no purpose for Snape's objective. And yes, completely agree about picture of regrets to make Harry understand him.
The Lily I saw in that story... If I were to write from the reader's perspective rather than Snape and Harry's perspective, I thought, 'Why did they show memories that could be viewed negatively about Lily?' 'I understand the truth about Harry's sacrifice, and it is as a memory passed on with that intention. But what was the intention of showing Lily's bad side in that memory?' I was curious about the author's intention, not Snape.
"Why did the author show Snape to be angry, cynical, and narrow-minded instead of a good side of Lily?" "Unlike other characters, that character is already dead in the past, so how could it be necessary to show such a pitilessly bad side in a scene that only appears in a short amount of time?" <I'm amazed that they did this despite the risk of long-term damage to the character's image. Few readers have a neutral point of view. Only readers who enjoy it with a light heart can do this, but for fans who belong to the fandom and understand all the events, it is really difficult. This is because you become a fan of a certain character, become focused on it, and look at the character from your own perspective. Unless you're a critic, it's hard not to.
You have to read and think about it a few times to understand her kind and considerate side, and if you just read it without thinking about it, you'll only see her Impulsive yet cool-headed more.
In the process, the reader may end up hating Lily after failing to understand her based on his or her own personal experience, or he may end up hating Snape while understanding Lily through his own personal experience. In fact, it is difficult for me to understand Lily because I am also a victim of school violence. “Lily, is she acting like that because she’s never been in the position of the weak?” Personally, I don't have a good personality, and I thought this way as I still remember the perpetrators. On the other hand, Harry is a character in the story, not outside the story, and has been in the position of the weak and stands up to the villain, so he can understand Lily and Snape's feelings to some extent objectively. So The resentment and resentment that Harry feels as the underdog and the sense of justice/self-righteous that Harry has as he stands up to the evildoers are continually presented in the story.
been a Harry Potter fan for a little over a year now, and has been thinking about it for a long time. This is because the story of the prince shattered the image of Lily that had been mentioned so far. Rowling said she was definitely a good girl. However, she was generally seen as portrayed in a way that left one wondering: "Is she a desirable good friend...?" Among Korean fans, many people even said, ‘Lily’s mistake was the writer’s mistake.’ I also saw posts full of resentment written by Lily's fans. 'Why doesn't Lily's behavior change no matter how many times she reprints the book? (werewolf and Panties).' Somewhere along the line even said that Snape had never met a good friend and that she had mistaken Lily for a 'kind and gentle friend'. Of course, the author couldn't have intended something like that.
So, I changed my perspective and thought that Lily's story in <The Prince's Tale> was 'a story that Snape reflection of himself, that Lily remembers being angry about Snape's own mistakes.' And outside of the story, beyond the third wall, I saw it as a story where not only Harry but also readers could evaluate his mistakes, courage, and love.
Rowling's own experiences in school shaped how he wrote female characters. Like throughout the books, we saw female characters called good yet behaving nastily. I place Lily in such spectrum. Her behaviour wasn't that good and she was nasty to Snape in many scenes but Rowling calls her good because she never saw anything bad in that sort of behaviour because she grew up with it in her own school days.
That's why she often fails to understand why many fans don't like James Potter, she obviously likes him and can't see why people hate him.
Ultimately HP characters are flawed one way or another, that's what makes them real, and not caricatures of good or evil.
Quote from Naaga on March 15, 2024, 11:14 pmRowling's own experiences in school shaped how he wrote female characters. Like throughout the books, we saw female characters called good yet behaving nastily. I place Lily in such spectrum. Her behaviour wasn't that good and she was nasty to Snape in many scenes but Rowling calls her good because she never saw anything bad in that sort of behaviour because she grew up with it in her own school days.
That's why she often fails to understand why many fans don't like James Potter, she obviously likes him and can't see why people hate him.
Ultimately HP characters are flawed one way or another, that's what makes them real, and not caricatures of good or evil.
But honestly, reading Naga’s article puts my mind at ease. Actually, I had that thought early on while watching the story, but when the really crazy Lily fans read such posts, they say, “Lily is {Innocence}, just an ordinary girl. The only problem is Snape, who made her act like that.” There were many users who did this... Snape fans who got tired and gave up backed off and said, “Okay... Snape didn’t show Harry her memories to blame Lily.” So there were many times when I was really exhausted. If we're going to discuss whether Lily's actions and words are desirable as a friend, we need to prepare for war. There are many cases where people argue over fanfic settings or incorrect settings, and there was someone who did that on Twitter two days ago. I only left a light review after watching the movie, but they took pictures of the person's writing and even used a collection of movie reviews to criticize and call a 'Snape defender.'
Wholeheartedly agree with Naaga on this, well not quite, but at least 98 percent of it.
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