Meta: What kind of Death Eater was Snape?
Quote from Naaga on October 31, 2023, 9:45 amSource: What kind of Death Eater was Snape? (Reddit)
What kind of Death Eater was Snape?
Here is the evidence that he was a very small-time Death Eater:
Sirius was imprisoned with the hardcore Death Eaters for 12 years and nobody said a word about Snape, he was that unimportant:
[“But as far as I know, SNAPE WAS NEVER EVEN ACCUSED OF BEING A DEATH EATER.”]
Also:
[”There’s still the fact that Dumbledore trusts Snape, and I know Dumbledore trusts where a lot of other people wouldn’t, but I JUST CAN’T SEE HIM LETTING SNAPE TEACH AT HOGWARTS IF HE’D EVER WORKED FOR VOLDEMORT.”]
The imprisoned Death Eaters never brought Snape up. Of course, we do know he was one, because… Karkaroff names him… Dead last, when he’s desperate. He doesn’t associate him with anything, gruesome or otherwise. This is how he names everybody else:
[“There was Antonin Dolohov,” he said. “I — I saw him TORTURE COUNTLESS MUGGLES AND — AND NON-SUPPORTERS OF THE DARK LORD.”
“AND HELPED HIM DO IT,” murmured Moody.]
Even Moody doesn’t accuse Snape of anything concrete, coming to think about it.
And:
[“There was Travers — he helped MURDER THE MCKINNONS! Mulciber — he SPECIALIsED IN THE IMPERIUS CURSE, FORCED COUNTLESS PEOPLE TO DO HORRIFIC THINGS! Rookwood, WHO WAS A SPY, and passed He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named useful information from inside the Ministry itself!”]
Contrast with:
[“Not yet!” cried Karkaroff, looking quite DESPERATE. “Wait, I have more!”
Harry could see him SWEATING IN THE TORCHLIGHT, his white skin contrasting strongly with the black of his hair and beard.
“Snape!” he shouted. “Severus Snape!"
“SNAPE HAS BEEN CLEARED BY THIS COUNCIL,” SAID CROUCH DISDAINFULLY. “He has been vouched for by Albus Dumbledore.”]
The words “cleared by this council” and “he was vouched for by Albus Dumbledore” show that Snape was cleared without even being tried, on Dumbledore’s word.
This is the same Crouch who threw his own son to Azkaban, remember?
This is the same Crouch who threw Sirius in prison without a trial.
The same Crouch who…. [‘they say old Mad-Eye’s obsessed with catching Dark wizards … but Mad-Eye’s nothing – NOTHING – compared to Barty Crouch.’]
Dumbledore's word is a lot, but it's not all-powerful: he gets suspended in COS, he can’t overrule Buckbeak being slaughtered, he knows he can't get Fudge to wait with the Dementor's Kiss on Sirius in POA, does not manage to get the Ministry to remove the Dementors from school grounds in the first place, and fails to persuade him of Voldemort's return in GOF. Dumbledore couldn't get Stan out of prison.
[‘They’re not still holding Stan Shunpike, are they?’ asked Harry. ‘I’m afraid so,’ said Mr Weasley. ‘I KNOW DUMBLEDORE’S TRIED APPEALING DIRECTLY TO SCRIMGEOUR ABOUT STAN … I mean, anybody who has actually interviewed him AGREES THAT HE’S ABOUT AS MUCH A DEATH EATER AS THIS SATSUMA … but the top levels want to look as though they’re making some progress, and “three arrests” sounds better than “three mistaken arrests and releases”’]
The first war would be pretty much the same, arresting ANYONE who might raise suspicion as being a Death Eater.
Never mind that Dumbledore kept his promise to Snape, no one knows why Snape flipped or that he is committed to Harry's protection.
Back to Karkaroff:
[“No!” shouted Karkaroff, straining at the chains that bound him to the chair. “I assure you! SEVERUS SNAPE IS A DEATH EATER!”]
Well, yes, but… WHAT DID HE DO, Karkaroff?
Karkaroff does not list the crimes of Snape like he did everyone else, and Moody does not comment, all he does is give a sceptical look.
The evidence against Snape must have been incredibly slim to non-existence. Crouch is DISDAINFUL when he hears Karkaroff say Snape’s name; talking about Snape is a WASTE OF HIS TIME.
But look at who isn’t a waste of Crouch’s time: LUDO BAGMAN. He wants to imprison Ludo Bagman for ACCIDENTALLY passing information along to Rookwood, and was fuming when he was let off.
[“LUDOVIC BAGMAN, you were caught passing information to Lord Voldemort’s supporters,” said Mr. Crouch. “For this, I SUGGEST A TERM OF IMPRISONMENT IN AZKABAN lasting no less than —”]
Bellatrix is a true sadist and a true racist. She does not see a kindred spirit in Severus Snape.
[“The Dark Lord trusts him, doesn’t he?”
“THE DARK LORD IS . . . I BELIEVE . . . MISTAKEN,” Bella panted.]
She is so distrustful of him she is willing to doubt the Dark Lord himself.
[“‘Present company’?” repeated Snape sardonically. “And what am I to understand by that, Bellatrix?”
“THAT I DON’T TRUST YOU, SNAPE, AS YOU VERY WELL KNOW!”]
To earn her trust, Snape would have pointed out all the evil things he'd done to get her off his case, but there aren’t any.
Only this:
[”The Dark Lord is satisfied with THE INFORMATION I HAVE PASSED HIM ON THE ORDER. It led, as perhaps you have guessed, to the recent capture and murder of Emmeline Vance, and it certainly helped dispose of Sirius Black, though I give you full credit for finishing him off.”]
Possibly, Snape gave information that got Vance killed but as Dumbledore says so Snape [If you are forced to take part .... be sure to act your part convincingly] - acting his part convincingly, remaining a spy, means someone might get hurt, or worse, killed; but as Ron says, [that's chess] Remember Snape's words [Only those I could not save]? Here would be one of those moments. But if he is taking credit for getting Sirius killed in the very same sentence, even that is not necessarily true. Because Snape certainly did not help get Sirius killed and in fact, he is the one who alerted the Order about Harry being in the Department of Mysteries. He tried to help save Sirius and keep him safe.
Here is Snape, showing off again:
[But through all these years, he [Dumbledore] has never stopped trusting Severus Snape, and THEREIN LIES MY GREAT VALUE TO THE DARK LORD.”]
So… not in his capacity for murder and torture, then. His value to the Dark Lord is Dumbledore trusting him and being able to pass over information from the Order to him.
Bellatrix is not impressed. Later in the conversation:
["Aren’t you listening, Narcissa? Oh, he’ll try, I’m sure... THE USUAL EMPTY WORDS, THE USUAL SLITHERING OUT OF ACTION.”]
This is how she sees Snape - HE IS ALL TALK - someone who doesn’t put their money where their mouth is. (And he is all talk, remember in POA when he told Sirius he'll the dementors as they get out of the tunnel? But when it came to it, he took him to the castle. He could have easily let the dementors get him at the lake claiming he was too late, no one would ever have know he was lying)
[‘There is no point apportioning blame,’ said Snape smoothly. ‘What is done is done.’
'BUT NOT BY YOU!’ SAID BELLATRIX FURIOUSLY. ‘NO, YOU WERE ONCE AGAIN ABSENT WHILE THE REST OF US RAN DANGERS, WERE YOU NOT, SNAPE?’]
Once again - so this wasn't the first time Snape was absent. Snape again slithering out of action.
The worst Snape did as a Death Eater,was pass over half the Prophecy.
Source: What kind of Death Eater was Snape? (Reddit)
What kind of Death Eater was Snape?
Here is the evidence that he was a very small-time Death Eater:
Sirius was imprisoned with the hardcore Death Eaters for 12 years and nobody said a word about Snape, he was that unimportant:
[“But as far as I know, SNAPE WAS NEVER EVEN ACCUSED OF BEING A DEATH EATER.”]
Also:
[”There’s still the fact that Dumbledore trusts Snape, and I know Dumbledore trusts where a lot of other people wouldn’t, but I JUST CAN’T SEE HIM LETTING SNAPE TEACH AT HOGWARTS IF HE’D EVER WORKED FOR VOLDEMORT.”]
The imprisoned Death Eaters never brought Snape up. Of course, we do know he was one, because… Karkaroff names him… Dead last, when he’s desperate. He doesn’t associate him with anything, gruesome or otherwise. This is how he names everybody else:
[“There was Antonin Dolohov,” he said. “I — I saw him TORTURE COUNTLESS MUGGLES AND — AND NON-SUPPORTERS OF THE DARK LORD.”
“AND HELPED HIM DO IT,” murmured Moody.]
Even Moody doesn’t accuse Snape of anything concrete, coming to think about it.
And:
[“There was Travers — he helped MURDER THE MCKINNONS! Mulciber — he SPECIALIsED IN THE IMPERIUS CURSE, FORCED COUNTLESS PEOPLE TO DO HORRIFIC THINGS! Rookwood, WHO WAS A SPY, and passed He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named useful information from inside the Ministry itself!”]
Contrast with:
[“Not yet!” cried Karkaroff, looking quite DESPERATE. “Wait, I have more!”
Harry could see him SWEATING IN THE TORCHLIGHT, his white skin contrasting strongly with the black of his hair and beard.
“Snape!” he shouted. “Severus Snape!"
“SNAPE HAS BEEN CLEARED BY THIS COUNCIL,” SAID CROUCH DISDAINFULLY. “He has been vouched for by Albus Dumbledore.”]
The words “cleared by this council” and “he was vouched for by Albus Dumbledore” show that Snape was cleared without even being tried, on Dumbledore’s word.
This is the same Crouch who threw his own son to Azkaban, remember?
This is the same Crouch who threw Sirius in prison without a trial.
The same Crouch who…. [‘they say old Mad-Eye’s obsessed with catching Dark wizards … but Mad-Eye’s nothing – NOTHING – compared to Barty Crouch.’]
Dumbledore's word is a lot, but it's not all-powerful: he gets suspended in COS, he can’t overrule Buckbeak being slaughtered, he knows he can't get Fudge to wait with the Dementor's Kiss on Sirius in POA, does not manage to get the Ministry to remove the Dementors from school grounds in the first place, and fails to persuade him of Voldemort's return in GOF. Dumbledore couldn't get Stan out of prison.
[‘They’re not still holding Stan Shunpike, are they?’ asked Harry. ‘I’m afraid so,’ said Mr Weasley. ‘I KNOW DUMBLEDORE’S TRIED APPEALING DIRECTLY TO SCRIMGEOUR ABOUT STAN … I mean, anybody who has actually interviewed him AGREES THAT HE’S ABOUT AS MUCH A DEATH EATER AS THIS SATSUMA … but the top levels want to look as though they’re making some progress, and “three arrests” sounds better than “three mistaken arrests and releases”’]
The first war would be pretty much the same, arresting ANYONE who might raise suspicion as being a Death Eater.
Never mind that Dumbledore kept his promise to Snape, no one knows why Snape flipped or that he is committed to Harry's protection.
Back to Karkaroff:
[“No!” shouted Karkaroff, straining at the chains that bound him to the chair. “I assure you! SEVERUS SNAPE IS A DEATH EATER!”]
Well, yes, but… WHAT DID HE DO, Karkaroff?
Karkaroff does not list the crimes of Snape like he did everyone else, and Moody does not comment, all he does is give a sceptical look.
The evidence against Snape must have been incredibly slim to non-existence. Crouch is DISDAINFUL when he hears Karkaroff say Snape’s name; talking about Snape is a WASTE OF HIS TIME.
But look at who isn’t a waste of Crouch’s time: LUDO BAGMAN. He wants to imprison Ludo Bagman for ACCIDENTALLY passing information along to Rookwood, and was fuming when he was let off.
[“LUDOVIC BAGMAN, you were caught passing information to Lord Voldemort’s supporters,” said Mr. Crouch. “For this, I SUGGEST A TERM OF IMPRISONMENT IN AZKABAN lasting no less than —”]
Bellatrix is a true sadist and a true racist. She does not see a kindred spirit in Severus Snape.
[“The Dark Lord trusts him, doesn’t he?”
“THE DARK LORD IS . . . I BELIEVE . . . MISTAKEN,” Bella panted.]
She is so distrustful of him she is willing to doubt the Dark Lord himself.
[“‘Present company’?” repeated Snape sardonically. “And what am I to understand by that, Bellatrix?”
“THAT I DON’T TRUST YOU, SNAPE, AS YOU VERY WELL KNOW!”]
To earn her trust, Snape would have pointed out all the evil things he'd done to get her off his case, but there aren’t any.
Only this:
[”The Dark Lord is satisfied with THE INFORMATION I HAVE PASSED HIM ON THE ORDER. It led, as perhaps you have guessed, to the recent capture and murder of Emmeline Vance, and it certainly helped dispose of Sirius Black, though I give you full credit for finishing him off.”]
Possibly, Snape gave information that got Vance killed but as Dumbledore says so Snape [If you are forced to take part .... be sure to act your part convincingly] - acting his part convincingly, remaining a spy, means someone might get hurt, or worse, killed; but as Ron says, [that's chess] Remember Snape's words [Only those I could not save]? Here would be one of those moments. But if he is taking credit for getting Sirius killed in the very same sentence, even that is not necessarily true. Because Snape certainly did not help get Sirius killed and in fact, he is the one who alerted the Order about Harry being in the Department of Mysteries. He tried to help save Sirius and keep him safe.
Here is Snape, showing off again:
[But through all these years, he [Dumbledore] has never stopped trusting Severus Snape, and THEREIN LIES MY GREAT VALUE TO THE DARK LORD.”]
So… not in his capacity for murder and torture, then. His value to the Dark Lord is Dumbledore trusting him and being able to pass over information from the Order to him.
Bellatrix is not impressed. Later in the conversation:
["Aren’t you listening, Narcissa? Oh, he’ll try, I’m sure... THE USUAL EMPTY WORDS, THE USUAL SLITHERING OUT OF ACTION.”]
This is how she sees Snape - HE IS ALL TALK - someone who doesn’t put their money where their mouth is. (And he is all talk, remember in POA when he told Sirius he'll the dementors as they get out of the tunnel? But when it came to it, he took him to the castle. He could have easily let the dementors get him at the lake claiming he was too late, no one would ever have know he was lying)
[‘There is no point apportioning blame,’ said Snape smoothly. ‘What is done is done.’
'BUT NOT BY YOU!’ SAID BELLATRIX FURIOUSLY. ‘NO, YOU WERE ONCE AGAIN ABSENT WHILE THE REST OF US RAN DANGERS, WERE YOU NOT, SNAPE?’]
Once again - so this wasn't the first time Snape was absent. Snape again slithering out of action.
The worst Snape did as a Death Eater,was pass over half the Prophecy.
Quote from Dark Angel on October 31, 2023, 11:58 amGreat arguments, I loved this!
Too bad the original poster isn't stated but it was apparently co-authored by the brilliant pet_genius ...why am I not surprised?
Great arguments, I loved this!
Too bad the original poster isn't stated but it was apparently co-authored by the brilliant pet_genius ...why am I not surprised?
Quote from Naaga on October 31, 2023, 2:40 pmWell, pet_genius is our Queen as far as Snape Metas are concerned. And yeah, I would certainly love to read a Snape Analysis Book by her.
Well, pet_genius is our Queen as far as Snape Metas are concerned. And yeah, I would certainly love to read a Snape Analysis Book by her.
Quote from Sam on November 1, 2023, 2:17 pmOnce again, a great post detailing misconceptions about Severus.
Once again, a great post detailing misconceptions about Severus.
Quote from luke on July 9, 2026, 9:10 amGreat analysis @naaga!. I always knew severus is never participated in death eater war crimes and we see bellatrix didnt trust snape,even thought bellatrix trust lucius,travers,avery and mulciber. Yet she nsver trusted snape..either she see him are unloyal, or not brsve enoight to do awful thing. Even bellatrix never doubted regulus black loyalty,even thought regulus black is death eater
Great analysis @naaga!. I always knew severus is never participated in death eater war crimes and we see bellatrix didnt trust snape,even thought bellatrix trust lucius,travers,avery and mulciber. Yet she nsver trusted snape..either she see him are unloyal, or not brsve enoight to do awful thing. Even bellatrix never doubted regulus black loyalty,even thought regulus black is death eater
Quote from IFFIN on July 9, 2026, 5:08 pmI agree with a lot that is written, and have never thought of some of those things mentioned. But I don't believe that he was a small time death eater. I also don't believe that he was a big time death eater. Okay I actually don't know what both of those would entail. I think many other fans think that when we mentioned that Snape didn't participate much or not at all in killings and harassment, that we are trying to make excuses for him. But it is there in the books. What made me think that he never killed someone was the comment he made to Dumbledore about his own soul.
I think there were different positions and the death eaters. By reading this line, "Well, Severus?What message does Lord Voldemort have for me?" Chapter 33 of DH. Also Severus listening at the door when the prophecy was made, makes me wonder what Severus role was in the death eaters. He also had a lot of knowledge on dark magic and was able to heal some dark wounds. So to me it seems that they had different roles.
Not that we are trying to excuse him for joining the death eaters, but what some of us are saying that he wasn't the Big Bad of the DE. He wasn't like Bellatrix or others that like torturing and killing. That wasn't the reason we believe he joined. In the books we are not given the reason why someone joined the DE. The simple answer is they hate muggles.
I re-watched the Fantastic Beasts recently and saw how persuasive Grindelwald was. He brought his followers in with truths between the Wizarding world and muggle world, but he hid from them what he truly wanted. Many of his followers feared to leave once they were in his circle.
I agree with a lot that is written, and have never thought of some of those things mentioned. But I don't believe that he was a small time death eater. I also don't believe that he was a big time death eater. Okay I actually don't know what both of those would entail. I think many other fans think that when we mentioned that Snape didn't participate much or not at all in killings and harassment, that we are trying to make excuses for him. But it is there in the books. What made me think that he never killed someone was the comment he made to Dumbledore about his own soul.
I think there were different positions and the death eaters. By reading this line, "Well, Severus?What message does Lord Voldemort have for me?" Chapter 33 of DH. Also Severus listening at the door when the prophecy was made, makes me wonder what Severus role was in the death eaters. He also had a lot of knowledge on dark magic and was able to heal some dark wounds. So to me it seems that they had different roles.
Not that we are trying to excuse him for joining the death eaters, but what some of us are saying that he wasn't the Big Bad of the DE. He wasn't like Bellatrix or others that like torturing and killing. That wasn't the reason we believe he joined. In the books we are not given the reason why someone joined the DE. The simple answer is they hate muggles.
I re-watched the Fantastic Beasts recently and saw how persuasive Grindelwald was. He brought his followers in with truths between the Wizarding world and muggle world, but he hid from them what he truly wanted. Many of his followers feared to leave once they were in his circle.
Quote from luke on July 9, 2026, 9:56 pmSnape joined death eater is always be very wrong. And i just realized that in hogwarts time voldemort is still not as unhinged as in 1980. Kreacher mentioned that the death eater will rule over muggle and muggleborn,and sirius mentioned many pureblood family love concept of revolutionary voldemort before they realized his method were too far (Sirius in OOTP book)
I Think if snape knows that muggleborn will be thrown into azkaban in 1976 without any exception if he rule wizarding world he will not join death eater.
And as for snape,Teenager didnt make great decision in their life. Especially for vulnerable and insecure teenager who seeking something powerful and impressive.The path in ministries is needed pureblood name and galleon. A path in dumbledore is out of question especially dumbledore didnt punish sirius at all.
And teenager in slytherin is being propagandized. For teenager that is vulnerable and insecure,the concept of revolutionary army throwing the government is great for teenager snape.
Snape joined death eater is always be very wrong. And i just realized that in hogwarts time voldemort is still not as unhinged as in 1980. Kreacher mentioned that the death eater will rule over muggle and muggleborn,and sirius mentioned many pureblood family love concept of revolutionary voldemort before they realized his method were too far (Sirius in OOTP book)
I Think if snape knows that muggleborn will be thrown into azkaban in 1976 without any exception if he rule wizarding world he will not join death eater.
And as for snape,Teenager didnt make great decision in their life. Especially for vulnerable and insecure teenager who seeking something powerful and impressive.The path in ministries is needed pureblood name and galleon. A path in dumbledore is out of question especially dumbledore didnt punish sirius at all.
And teenager in slytherin is being propagandized. For teenager that is vulnerable and insecure,the concept of revolutionary army throwing the government is great for teenager snape.



