"What if ... ?" scenarios
Quote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 9:31 amQuote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 9:18 amQuote from Dark Angel on July 22, 2023, 7:40 amAll scenarios are possible I would say Voldemort spares her for Snape, James and Harry die or Voldemort attempts to recruit James one last time but ends up killing him after the latter refuses (that was part of a prompt I posted) and this sacrifice will protect Harry from the killing curse.
In either case, Lily finds out that Voldemort spared her for Severus and then that he was the one who informed him of the prophecy. What do you think happens.
The Snater scenario is actually very funny. It is supposed to be a children's franchise and then you have one of the protagonists go on a murder spree? Aren't you supposed to preach goodness, forgiveness and the power of love?
And what do you think would happen if Sev actually was able to save all three of them?
If he had been in time and attacked Voldemort before the man could fire the Killing Curse at James?
If Sev fought a furious duel against Voldemort while shouting at them to get away, to get to Hogwarts where Dumbledore is.If Sev later arrived in Dumbledore’s office, barely able to stand as blood runs down his hands and face, robes torn into pieces, providing view on huge gashes that were heavily bleeding.
“Headmaster. He is gone.” is all he says with heavy breaths that have a whistling sound to them before his breathing completely stopped and collapsed in the office without even noticing the Potter’s.In this scenario, Snape would be proclaimed a hero, for vanquishing Voldemort. All his supposed crimes spared and he might earn an Order of Merlin. Lily would be grateful for him saving her and instantly forgive him. He would become hated by hardcore DEs like Bellatrix, coveted by opportunistic DEs like Lucius and some might try to rally behind him as next Dark Lord.
I think Snape would feel his debts clear after killing Voldemort. He would certainly not teach in Hogwarts anymore, he can't spy and there won't be any obligation for him towards Dumbledore plus with his new found popularity, he won't lack for job opportunities.
DE trials proceed as usual, with only exception being Pettigrew going Azkaban instead of Sirius and Snape not requiring Dumbledore vouching for him.
Snape would find himself moving on with no guilt, no remorse and repaired friendship with Lily. He won't be bffs with her due to Potter but he won't be as estranged as he was before.
Snape would find himself leading a happier, better life with his past behind him looking forward to the future.
Interesting.
So you think that Lily wouldn’t regret ending their friendship in 5th year?
That she wouldn’t feel flattered and maybe develop a crush for him when she finds out he did that all for her?
Quote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 9:40 amQuote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 9:31 amQuote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 9:18 amQuote from Dark Angel on July 22, 2023, 7:40 amAll scenarios are possible I would say Voldemort spares her for Snape, James and Harry die or Voldemort attempts to recruit James one last time but ends up killing him after the latter refuses (that was part of a prompt I posted) and this sacrifice will protect Harry from the killing curse.
In either case, Lily finds out that Voldemort spared her for Severus and then that he was the one who informed him of the prophecy. What do you think happens.
The Snater scenario is actually very funny. It is supposed to be a children's franchise and then you have one of the protagonists go on a murder spree? Aren't you supposed to preach goodness, forgiveness and the power of love?
And what do you think would happen if Sev actually was able to save all three of them?
If he had been in time and attacked Voldemort before the man could fire the Killing Curse at James?
If Sev fought a furious duel against Voldemort while shouting at them to get away, to get to Hogwarts where Dumbledore is.If Sev later arrived in Dumbledore’s office, barely able to stand as blood runs down his hands and face, robes torn into pieces, providing view on huge gashes that were heavily bleeding.
“Headmaster. He is gone.” is all he says with heavy breaths that have a whistling sound to them before his breathing completely stopped and collapsed in the office without even noticing the Potter’s.In this scenario, Snape would be proclaimed a hero, for vanquishing Voldemort. All his supposed crimes spared and he might earn an Order of Merlin. Lily would be grateful for him saving her and instantly forgive him. He would become hated by hardcore DEs like Bellatrix, coveted by opportunistic DEs like Lucius and some might try to rally behind him as next Dark Lord.
I think Snape would feel his debts clear after killing Voldemort. He would certainly not teach in Hogwarts anymore, he can't spy and there won't be any obligation for him towards Dumbledore plus with his new found popularity, he won't lack for job opportunities.
DE trials proceed as usual, with only exception being Pettigrew going Azkaban instead of Sirius and Snape not requiring Dumbledore vouching for him.
Snape would find himself moving on with no guilt, no remorse and repaired friendship with Lily. He won't be bffs with her due to Potter but he won't be as estranged as he was before.
Snape would find himself leading a happier, better life with his past behind him looking forward to the future.
Interesting.
So you don’t think that Lily wouldn’t regret ending their friendship in 5th year?
That she wouldn’t feel flattered and maybe develop a crush for him when she finds out he did that all for her?
I think Lily would regret ending their friendship. Crush thing, I don't see because she is married to James with a child between them, I can see her admiring Snape for spying and ending Voldemort.
Quote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 9:44 amQuote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 9:40 amQuote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 9:31 amQuote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 9:18 amQuote from Dark Angel on July 22, 2023, 7:40 amAll scenarios are possible I would say Voldemort spares her for Snape, James and Harry die or Voldemort attempts to recruit James one last time but ends up killing him after the latter refuses (that was part of a prompt I posted) and this sacrifice will protect Harry from the killing curse.
In either case, Lily finds out that Voldemort spared her for Severus and then that he was the one who informed him of the prophecy. What do you think happens.
The Snater scenario is actually very funny. It is supposed to be a children's franchise and then you have one of the protagonists go on a murder spree? Aren't you supposed to preach goodness, forgiveness and the power of love?
And what do you think would happen if Sev actually was able to save all three of them?
If he had been in time and attacked Voldemort before the man could fire the Killing Curse at James?
If Sev fought a furious duel against Voldemort while shouting at them to get away, to get to Hogwarts where Dumbledore is.If Sev later arrived in Dumbledore’s office, barely able to stand as blood runs down his hands and face, robes torn into pieces, providing view on huge gashes that were heavily bleeding.
“Headmaster. He is gone.” is all he says with heavy breaths that have a whistling sound to them before his breathing completely stopped and collapsed in the office without even noticing the Potter’s.In this scenario, Snape would be proclaimed a hero, for vanquishing Voldemort. All his supposed crimes spared and he might earn an Order of Merlin. Lily would be grateful for him saving her and instantly forgive him. He would become hated by hardcore DEs like Bellatrix, coveted by opportunistic DEs like Lucius and some might try to rally behind him as next Dark Lord.
I think Snape would feel his debts clear after killing Voldemort. He would certainly not teach in Hogwarts anymore, he can't spy and there won't be any obligation for him towards Dumbledore plus with his new found popularity, he won't lack for job opportunities.
DE trials proceed as usual, with only exception being Pettigrew going Azkaban instead of Sirius and Snape not requiring Dumbledore vouching for him.
Snape would find himself moving on with no guilt, no remorse and repaired friendship with Lily. He won't be bffs with her due to Potter but he won't be as estranged as he was before.
Snape would find himself leading a happier, better life with his past behind him looking forward to the future.
Interesting.
So you don’t think that Lily wouldn’t regret ending their friendship in 5th year?
That she wouldn’t feel flattered and maybe develop a crush for him when she finds out he did that all for her?I think Lily would regret ending their friendship. Crush thing, I don't see because she is married to James with a child between them, I can see her admiring Snape for spying and ending Voldemort.
I understand what you mean and think a lot of people would suddenly admire him, a lot of women would suddenly want him.
And then there is Lily, who maybe knows that she could have had him but threw it away over one word.
Quote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 9:49 amQuote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 9:44 amQuote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 9:40 amQuote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 9:31 amQuote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 9:18 amQuote from Dark Angel on July 22, 2023, 7:40 amAll scenarios are possible I would say Voldemort spares her for Snape, James and Harry die or Voldemort attempts to recruit James one last time but ends up killing him after the latter refuses (that was part of a prompt I posted) and this sacrifice will protect Harry from the killing curse.
In either case, Lily finds out that Voldemort spared her for Severus and then that he was the one who informed him of the prophecy. What do you think happens.
The Snater scenario is actually very funny. It is supposed to be a children's franchise and then you have one of the protagonists go on a murder spree? Aren't you supposed to preach goodness, forgiveness and the power of love?
And what do you think would happen if Sev actually was able to save all three of them?
If he had been in time and attacked Voldemort before the man could fire the Killing Curse at James?
If Sev fought a furious duel against Voldemort while shouting at them to get away, to get to Hogwarts where Dumbledore is.If Sev later arrived in Dumbledore’s office, barely able to stand as blood runs down his hands and face, robes torn into pieces, providing view on huge gashes that were heavily bleeding.
“Headmaster. He is gone.” is all he says with heavy breaths that have a whistling sound to them before his breathing completely stopped and collapsed in the office without even noticing the Potter’s.In this scenario, Snape would be proclaimed a hero, for vanquishing Voldemort. All his supposed crimes spared and he might earn an Order of Merlin. Lily would be grateful for him saving her and instantly forgive him. He would become hated by hardcore DEs like Bellatrix, coveted by opportunistic DEs like Lucius and some might try to rally behind him as next Dark Lord.
I think Snape would feel his debts clear after killing Voldemort. He would certainly not teach in Hogwarts anymore, he can't spy and there won't be any obligation for him towards Dumbledore plus with his new found popularity, he won't lack for job opportunities.
DE trials proceed as usual, with only exception being Pettigrew going Azkaban instead of Sirius and Snape not requiring Dumbledore vouching for him.
Snape would find himself moving on with no guilt, no remorse and repaired friendship with Lily. He won't be bffs with her due to Potter but he won't be as estranged as he was before.
Snape would find himself leading a happier, better life with his past behind him looking forward to the future.
Interesting.
So you don’t think that Lily wouldn’t regret ending their friendship in 5th year?
That she wouldn’t feel flattered and maybe develop a crush for him when she finds out he did that all for her?I think Lily would regret ending their friendship. Crush thing, I don't see because she is married to James with a child between them, I can see her admiring Snape for spying and ending Voldemort.
I understand what you mean and think a lot of people would suddenly admire him, a lot of women would suddenly want him.
And then there is Lily, who maybe knows that she could have had him but threw it away over one word.
Most interesting thing in this scenario would be Snape moving on and Lily watching him go and regretting what could've been.
Quote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 9:54 amMost interesting thing in this scenario would be Snape moving on and Lily watching him go and regretting what could've been.
I mean, he then would be a very interesting bachelor and there are many single witches that would show interest.
Quote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 10:01 amQuote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 9:54 amMost interesting thing in this scenario would be Snape moving on and Lily watching him go and regretting what could've been.That is what I was thinking about too.
I mean, he then would be a very interesting bachelor and there are many single witches that would show interest.And Lily is in a happy marriage for all he knows.
Yeah, that's right. It was one thing for him to hear about Lily's marriage, he could've been thinking Lily might realise Potter's faults and come back to him. Seeing her together happy with her family would end this illusion and he would find in himself to move on and he certainly won't be lacking in attention after killing the Dark Lord.
Quote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 10:05 amQuote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 10:01 amQuote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 9:54 amMost interesting thing in this scenario would be Snape moving on and Lily watching him go and regretting what could've been.That is what I was thinking about too.
I mean, he then would be a very interesting bachelor and there are many single witches that would show interest.And Lily is in a happy marriage for all he knows.Yeah, that's right. It was one thing for him to hear about Lily's marriage, he could've been thinking Lily might realise Potter's faults and come back to him. Seeing her together happy with her family would end this illusion and he would find in himself to move on and he certainly won't be lacking in attention after killing the Dark Lord.
It would be interesting to find out in which witches he might be interested.
But at the same time… What if the happiness he saw isn’t real?
Quote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 10:09 amQuote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 10:05 amQuote from Bol_Stark on July 22, 2023, 10:01 amQuote from Naaga on July 22, 2023, 9:54 amMost interesting thing in this scenario would be Snape moving on and Lily watching him go and regretting what could've been.That is what I was thinking about too.
I mean, he then would be a very interesting bachelor and there are many single witches that would show interest.And Lily is in a happy marriage for all he knows.Yeah, that's right. It was one thing for him to hear about Lily's marriage, he could've been thinking Lily might realise Potter's faults and come back to him. Seeing her together happy with her family would end this illusion and he would find in himself to move on and he certainly won't be lacking in attention after killing the Dark Lord.
It would be interesting to find out in which witches he might be interested.
But at the same time… What if the happiness he saw isn’t real?
It doesn't matter that happiness was real or not. What matters is he believes it's real and it's sufficient for him to move on. Snape couldn't just come out and ask Lily if she is happy with Potter. He sees a family together with a child, all signs pointing towards a happy family and he believes it.
As for witches interested in Snape, I've always been partial to him getting together with OCs, Charity Burbage, Aurora Sinistra, etc.
@bolstark and @naaga, thank you for those brilliant replies!
Naaga, I really liked that part with Dumbledore manipulating Lily and making her responsible for Snape's loyalty to the light, she kind of replaces canon Severus as everything would depend on how well she plays her part and it will definitely take its toll on her. She resents Snape but can't show it lest he's pushed over to the Dark side for good.
And I love it when Snape questions his loyalty to Dumbledore, should Lily survive, then Voldemort would prove himself more trustworthy and reliable despite being a madman.
Bol_Stark Snaor coming and saving the day sounds fun but I don't see him surviving that confrontation. It would be interesting to see though how things would go if James and Severus and maybe even Lily all fought together against Voldemort. I do like it when the Marauders mature and understand how wrong their treatment of Snape was. If he did end up saving the Potters, James would have no choice but to apologize for his behavior.
Regarding Lily, she would regret not seeing what man that boy from Spinner's End could be but because of Harry and her being already married, I doubt that she or Severus would make a move towards the other. Snape already knows what a dysfunctional family is like and he wouldn't want to rip theirs apart and force Harry to grow up with divorced parents.
It could work years later though. It is often argued that, had Lily and James survived, they would have gotten a divorce later on life. If Severus actually stayed single and Lily and James realized that their marriage isn't salvageable, something romantic could happen between Snape and Lily but that would be years after Voldemort was vanquished. Snape would keep his distance, after all that happened things would just be awkward between them so it is better to just go their separate ways. He just wants her to be safe, happy and healthy. Later, they could accidentally meet again and he would find out that she's divorced but it would a slow- burn strangers to friends to lovers.
@darkangel, I want him to move on from Lily, not move in back to Lily.
I don't think Snape would care for tearing apart her family, he would keep his distance due to James. Imagine struggling to keep contact with your ex best friend and tolerating his worst enemy, it would be uncomfortable and unbearable to Snape. On James apologising, personally I can't see it happening, most he would give a begrudging thanks and that's it. James won't admit he did anything wrong to Snape. And even if James miraculously apologised, Snape is not obligated to forgive him, Snape might even throw that half-hearted apology to James face saying it wasn't for you, Potter. 😼
Best outcome for Snape would be to just let Lily go completely and start living his own life, move on from her completely even that shoddy patched up friendship they get after his supposedly killing Voldemort. Plus if Lily's relationship falls apart, that's a bonus. 😼
