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#21 · July 30, 2026, 8:46 am

Many readers are seriously convinced Snape is bad. Many people who I consider rational lose their minds when it comes to Snape.

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#22 · July 30, 2026, 10:02 pm

Quote from Naaga on July 30, 2026, 8:46 am

Many readers are seriously convinced Snape is bad. Many people who I consider rational lose their minds when it comes to Snape.

Did you have opinion why they (snaters) that we considered rational people become too biased when it comes to snape, @naaga? I met many harsh teacher and honestly,Snape is not too bad for me (yes,they are many horrible teacher that I met more harsher than snape)

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#23 · July 31, 2026, 1:50 am

Quote from luke on July 30, 2026, 10:02 pm

Quote from Naaga on July 30, 2026, 8:46 am

Many readers are seriously convinced Snape is bad. Many people who I consider rational lose their minds when it comes to Snape.

Did you have opinion why they (snaters) that we considered rational people become too biased when it comes to snape, @naaga? I met many harsh teacher and honestly,Snape is not too bad for me (yes,they are many horrible teacher that I met more harsher than snape)

Hating Snape is popular nowadays and, with new generation unable to look and understand grey characters, they need writer explicitly mentioning facts otherwise they take biased views as their own, particularly there's a lot of Conformist bias regarding Snape in the HP fandom.

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#24 · July 31, 2026, 2:06 am

Quote from Naaga on July 31, 2026, 1:50 am

Quote from luke on July 30, 2026, 10:02 pm

Quote from Naaga on July 30, 2026, 8:46 am

Many readers are seriously convinced Snape is bad. Many people who I consider rational lose their minds when it comes to Snape.

Did you have opinion why they (snaters) that we considered rational people become too biased when it comes to snape, @naaga? I met many harsh teacher and honestly,Snape is not too bad for me (yes,they are many horrible teacher that I met more harsher than snape)

Hating Snape is popular nowadays and, with new generation unable to look and understand grey characters, they need writer explicitly mentioning facts otherwise they take biased views as their own, particularly there's a lot of Conformist bias regarding Snape in the HP fandom.

Ah yess.....

If we told in HP fandom "We love snape" the reaction is "why you love a bully,An obssesive git, and incel character?"

Honestly,the reason is make sense. We were being told in all of 7th book that snape was an evil teacher and bully and suddenly it was revealed that he was good man? No wonder people did not take it well. They want to lived in their own biases that snape is always evil character that in same side of good, when if we look carefully, The evil character that in same side is draco malfoy and narcissa malfoy. Yet fan love draco because they loved bad character yet handsome. That is why jily is so popular,James is a git yet he choose to fight for light side.

And I actually did not understand HP fandom. Erick lensher (magneto) and Wade Wilson(deadpool) is so popular in xmen fandoms yet no one hating ryan reynolds and erick lensher like HP fandoms toward snape

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#25 · July 31, 2026, 3:02 am

There's also the fact that many people project their own "abusive school teacher" syndrome to Snape, particularly new readers.

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#26 · July 31, 2026, 9:48 am

Quote from Naaga on July 31, 2026, 3:02 am

There's also the fact that many people project their own "abusive school teacher" syndrome to Snape, particularly new readers.

Honestly,They are petty people like Snape then. They needed to broaden their world view and "~~abusive school teacher"~~ is incomparable to Much harsher life outside school. You dont like school teacher? Wait until you see true criminal that sucked your account dry while blaming you for being stupid

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#27 · July 31, 2026, 9:22 pm

Quote from Naaga on May 29, 2023, 11:49 pm

Yeah, that's also true. They say he deserved it because he turned out to be a Death Eater and even deserved SA for being a racist. For all they say about Snape being obsessed with Lily, ironically they are obsessed with hating a fictional character for wrong reasons.

That is horrible.

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#28 · July 31, 2026, 9:38 pm

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Quote from Naaga on March 13, 2023, 11:56 pm

Source: Debunking the myth that Severus Snape is an incel by adreamersmusing

So, I've seen this go around a lot in the HP fandom, but unlike a lot of other exaggerated statements, this one...doesn't seem to be based on any real truth or fact.

Let's look at the definition of an incel from Wikipedia.

Incels, a portmanteau of "involuntary celibates", are members of an online subculture who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one. Discussions in incel forums are often characterized by resentment, misogyny, misanthropy, self-pity and self-loathing, racism, a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people.

Alright, so which part of this definition does Snape fit? Does he define himself as being unable to find a romantic or sexual partner? Nope. He doesn't seem to want or even wish for companionship. Is he characterised by resentment? Yes, but not because he can't get laid. Is he a misogynist? Certainly not, he treats people of all genders equally badly. Misanthropy, self-loathing? Yes, but none of these issues is related to his inability to have sex. Racism? Given that he joined the Death Eaters, yes. But once again, his views on blood purity were independent of Lily, the seeds of it were there as a child. A sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people? This is a confident and definitive no.

The parts of Snape that do correlate with the incel movement: resentment, self-loathing, misanthropy, are missing the core tenet of the incel movement: misogyny. Snape's resentment is not from the fact that he's unable to get laid. He does not blame women for not giving him sex. His resentment of James Potter was not solely due to Lily, either, although that was a factor. It was primarily based on the fact that James Potter had what Snape at that point lacked, which Harry pinpoints so accurately in 'The Prince's Tale: 'an air of being cared for and even adored'. James also had power and privilege, and regularly used it to abuse Snape, and of course, a young, poverty-stricken, ugly, half-blood child would feel resentful of that. So, his resentment was not based around any misogynistic idea that James could 'score' women while Snape could not.

Snape was self-loathing, but not because he could not get laid. It's actually the opposite. The first time he exhibits traits of self-loathing is after Lily dies when he says 'I wish I were dead.' He hates himself for being responsible for getting her killed. If he was an incel, he would actually celebrate her death, thinking it was the price she paid for not choosing him. But Snape's self-loathing comes from being unable to protect her.

Misanthropy: I mean....this is self-explanatory. He's a misanthrope because he doesn't like anybody, period. It's got nothing to do with sexual conquest.

Now that I've (hopefully) established why Snape does not share any notable traits related to the incel movement, let me try to debunk some often repeated 'truths' in the fandom that people repeat to play into the idea that he was an incel.

Snape couldn't handle Lily rejecting him, so he joined the Death Eaters.

People always say this as if Snape wore a fedora and asked Lily on a date, and when she rejected him, decided that all muggleborns were bad and joined the Death Eaters...when that's not what happened at all.

First of all, the timeline here is wrong. Snape's fascination for the Death Eaters was independent of Lily. We already know he was likely abused by his Muggle father. We know that he loved dark magic. We also know that Slytherin was a breeding ground for blood purist views. And so, Snape was groomed into this movement; he certainly did not join the Death Eaters in reaction to Lily 'rejecting' him.

This brings us to the other point. Lily did not 'reject' Snape because Snape never told her how he felt. We don't know if Lily even knew how he felt. Lily rejected his friendship because he was on the path to becoming a Death Eater.

2) Snape stalked Lily and harassed her all the time.

Once again, false. Snape left her alone after Lily rejected his apology. He never tried to speak to her again or bothered her again. I'm certain Sirius Black would have brought it up if that were the case. But the fact that neither Remus nor Sirius even remembers that Snape and Lily were friends suggests that they went their separate paths.

3) Snape offered James and Harry to Voldemort hoping that he could get with Lily after her death.

There are several misconceptions here.

Snape did not offer James and Harry to Voldemort in exchange for Lily. He simply did not care if James or Harry's lived. That is of course terrible in its own way. But there is a definite difference between the two. Voldemort would have gone after the Potters either way. There was no deal made between Voldemort and Snape where Snape said 'I'll give you James and Harry if you let Lily live.' What happened was Voldemort was already set on killing the Potters, and Snape made a desperate request to protect Lily. His situation was a) Let the Potters all die and b) Let only James and Harry die and Lily survive. There were no other options. He wanted to save her life and let her live. It wasn't out of some hope that she would fall in love with him. She was the only person who had ever cared about him and he just did not want her to die because of his actions, nothing else.

I know Dumbledore says 'in exchange for the mother' in the hilltop scene but people are forgetting that scene is one of powerplay and negotiation between Dumbledore and Snape. Snape is a terrified Death Eater fully expecting Dumbledore to murder him. Dumbledore holds the upper hand in that interaction. It is in Snape's best interests not to defend himself and simply accept the judgement Dumbledore gives him. Dumbledore, meanwhile, is trying to make Snape as ashamed as possible to get him on his side and deliberately uses phrasing to guilt him.

4) Snape bullied Harry because he didn't get the girl.

Snape's feelings towards Harry are complicated and are wrapped up in all sorts of messy emotions including hatred, resentment, guilt, anguish, and trauma. But the foremost emotions in his hatred for Harry have to do with James. Harry is a carbon copy of James, who was his primary bully in school. We have seen how bad James was to him in SWM. It is irrational of course, but a lot of his hatred for Harry has to do with looking exactly like his bully. A lot of his feelings are also guilt because Harry is proof of Snape's own failings, of not being able to save Lily. Part of it is also resentment because protecting Harry is quite possibly the own reason Snape is still alive. He wasn't able to protect Lily and to atone, he has to protect her son. He is resentful of the fact that he has to protect his bully's son, resentful that his life has become stagnated because of this child, and of course resentful that Harry constantly gets into a lot of trouble at Hogwarts, which solidifies his image in Snape's head as 'James-lite' while also making his job of protecting him harder. So his feelings towards Harry are projection of his failings and trauma and not an inability to get the girl.

Tl;dr: Snape lacks the core tenets of incel ideology i.e misogyny and an obsession with not getting sex. The incel ideology is a violent hate movement built upon hatred towards women. Snape has never once shown any inclination to be misogynistic. He never blamed Lily for the end of their friendship; rather, he understood that it was his mistakes and choices that led their friendship to end. Just because Snape was an ugly man who loved someone one-sidedly does not mean he was automatically a violent misogynist who hated all women. 'Snape is a bully' is a fact because it is canonically supported by the text. 'Snape is an incel' is not a fact; it could be your headcanon but it has no basis in the text.

Snape couldn't handle Lily rejecting him, so he joined the Death Eaters.

This brings us to the other point. Lily did not 'reject' Snape because Snape never told her how he felt. We don't know if Lily even knew how he felt. Lily rejected his friendship because he was on the path to becoming a Death Eater.

Great point

I agree about what you said about Slytherine. I think that is the number one reason why he became one.

2) Snape stalked Lily and harassed her all the time.

I’ve heard this argument and it seems like it is based on little Severus watching her in the playground. That to me is gasping for straws. He was a child. What I remember is in the memory when Lily got mad at Severus and she walked away, Severus just put his head down and didn’t run after her. The next memory we are see them talking, so I’m guessing other readers assume that he ran after her, grabbed her and threatened her to come back. **yes I am exaggerating here** I always thought that she went back, because she knew at some level he was correct about her being a witch and she wanted to know more.

But the fact that neither Remus nor Sirius even remembers that Snape and Lily were friends suggests that they went their separate paths.

First I think it wasn’t mentioned for the reader's benefit not to figure out the mystery about Snape. I’m with the people who say these are mystery books set in a magical world and not a magical world where there are some mysteries. Second I do believe that Remus and Sirius knew that Lily and Snape were friends. I take it that if they did mention it, it would open a can of worms. Mostly the bullying .

3) Snape offered James and Harry to Voldemort hoping that he could get with Lily after her death.

His situation was a) Let the Potters all die and b) Let only James and Harry die and Lily survive. There were no other options.

Yes. Severus was desperate to save Lily. He wasn’t even thinking about James and Harry. I think. I also think Dumbledore would find it odd if Severus asked for James to be protective.

Quote from Naaga on March 13, 2023, 11:56 pm

Source: Debunking the myth that Severus Snape is an incel by adreamersmusing

So, I've seen this go around a lot in the HP fandom, but unlike a lot of other exaggerated statements, this one...doesn't seem to be based on any real truth or fact.

Let's look at the definition of an incel from Wikipedia.

Incels, a portmanteau of "involuntary celibates", are members of an online subculture who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one. Discussions in incel forums are often characterized by resentment, misogyny, misanthropy, self-pity and self-loathing, racism, a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people.

Alright, so which part of this definition does Snape fit? Does he define himself as being unable to find a romantic or sexual partner? Nope. He doesn't seem to want or even wish for companionship. Is he characterised by resentment? Yes, but not because he can't get laid. Is he a misogynist? Certainly not, he treats people of all genders equally badly. Misanthropy, self-loathing? Yes, but none of these issues is related to his inability to have sex. Racism? Given that he joined the Death Eaters, yes. But once again, his views on blood purity were independent of Lily, the seeds of it were there as a child. A sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people? This is a confident and definitive no.

The parts of Snape that do correlate with the incel movement: resentment, self-loathing, misanthropy, are missing the core tenet of the incel movement: misogyny. Snape's resentment is not from the fact that he's unable to get laid. He does not blame women for not giving him sex. His resentment of James Potter was not solely due to Lily, either, although that was a factor. It was primarily based on the fact that James Potter had what Snape at that point lacked, which Harry pinpoints so accurately in 'The Prince's Tale: 'an air of being cared for and even adored'. James also had power and privilege, and regularly used it to abuse Snape, and of course, a young, poverty-stricken, ugly, half-blood child would feel resentful of that. So, his resentment was not based around any misogynistic idea that James could 'score' women while Snape could not.

Snape was self-loathing, but not because he could not get laid. It's actually the opposite. The first time he exhibits traits of self-loathing is after Lily dies when he says 'I wish I were dead.' He hates himself for being responsible for getting her killed. If he was an incel, he would actually celebrate her death, thinking it was the price she paid for not choosing him. But Snape's self-loathing comes from being unable to protect her.

Misanthropy: I mean....this is self-explanatory. He's a misanthrope because he doesn't like anybody, period. It's got nothing to do with sexual conquest.

Now that I've (hopefully) established why Snape does not share any notable traits related to the incel movement, let me try to debunk some often repeated 'truths' in the fandom that people repeat to play into the idea that he was an incel.

Snape couldn't handle Lily rejecting him, so he joined the Death Eaters.

People always say this as if Snape wore a fedora and asked Lily on a date, and when she rejected him, decided that all muggleborns were bad and joined the Death Eaters...when that's not what happened at all.

First of all, the timeline here is wrong. Snape's fascination for the Death Eaters was independent of Lily. We already know he was likely abused by his Muggle father. We know that he loved dark magic. We also know that Slytherin was a breeding ground for blood purist views. And so, Snape was groomed into this movement; he certainly did not join the Death Eaters in reaction to Lily 'rejecting' him.

This brings us to the other point. Lily did not 'reject' Snape because Snape never told her how he felt. We don't know if Lily even knew how he felt. Lily rejected his friendship because he was on the path to becoming a Death Eater.

2) Snape stalked Lily and harassed her all the time.

Once again, false. Snape left her alone after Lily rejected his apology. He never tried to speak to her again or bothered her again. I'm certain Sirius Black would have brought it up if that were the case. But the fact that neither Remus nor Sirius even remembers that Snape and Lily were friends suggests that they went their separate paths.

3) Snape offered James and Harry to Voldemort hoping that he could get with Lily after her death.

There are several misconceptions here.

Snape did not offer James and Harry to Voldemort in exchange for Lily. He simply did not care if James or Harry's lived. That is of course terrible in its own way. But there is a definite difference between the two. Voldemort would have gone after the Potters either way. There was no deal made between Voldemort and Snape where Snape said 'I'll give you James and Harry if you let Lily live.' What happened was Voldemort was already set on killing the Potters, and Snape made a desperate request to protect Lily. His situation was a) Let the Potters all die and b) Let only James and Harry die and Lily survive. There were no other options. He wanted to save her life and let her live. It wasn't out of some hope that she would fall in love with him. She was the only person who had ever cared about him and he just did not want her to die because of his actions, nothing else.

I know Dumbledore says 'in exchange for the mother' in the hilltop scene but people are forgetting that scene is one of powerplay and negotiation between Dumbledore and Snape. Snape is a terrified Death Eater fully expecting Dumbledore to murder him. Dumbledore holds the upper hand in that interaction. It is in Snape's best interests not to defend himself and simply accept the judgement Dumbledore gives him. Dumbledore, meanwhile, is trying to make Snape as ashamed as possible to get him on his side and deliberately uses phrasing to guilt him.

4) Snape bullied Harry because he didn't get the girl.

Snape's feelings towards Harry are complicated and are wrapped up in all sorts of messy emotions including hatred, resentment, guilt, anguish, and trauma. But the foremost emotions in his hatred for Harry have to do with James. Harry is a carbon copy of James, who was his primary bully in school. We have seen how bad James was to him in SWM. It is irrational of course, but a lot of his hatred for Harry has to do with looking exactly like his bully. A lot of his feelings are also guilt because Harry is proof of Snape's own failings, of not being able to save Lily. Part of it is also resentment because protecting Harry is quite possibly the own reason Snape is still alive. He wasn't able to protect Lily and to atone, he has to protect her son. He is resentful of the fact that he has to protect his bully's son, resentful that his life has become stagnated because of this child, and of course resentful that Harry constantly gets into a lot of trouble at Hogwarts, which solidifies his image in Snape's head as 'James-lite' while also making his job of protecting him harder. So his feelings towards Harry are projection of his failings and trauma and not an inability to get the girl.

Tl;dr: Snape lacks the core tenets of incel ideology i.e misogyny and an obsession with not getting sex. The incel ideology is a violent hate movement built upon hatred towards women. Snape has never once shown any inclination to be misogynistic. He never blamed Lily for the end of their friendship; rather, he understood that it was his mistakes and choices that led their friendship to end. Just because Snape was an ugly man who loved someone one-sidedly does not mean he was automatically a violent misogynist who hated all women. 'Snape is a bully' is a fact because it is canonically supported by the text. 'Snape is an incel' is not a fact; it could be your headcanon but it has no basis in the text.

Snape couldn't handle Lily rejecting him, so he joined the Death Eaters.

This brings us to the other point. Lily did not 'reject' Snape because Snape never told her how he felt. We don't know if Lily even knew how he felt. Lily rejected his friendship because he was on the path to becoming a Death Eater.

Great point

I agree about what you said about Slytherine. I think that is the number one reason why he became one.

2) Snape stalked Lily and harassed her all the time.

I’ve heard this argument and it seems like it is based on little Severus watching her in the playground. That to me is gasping for straws. He was a child. What I remember is in the memory when Lily got mad at Severus and she walked away, Severus just put his head down and didn’t run after her. The next memory we are see them talking, so I’m guessing other readers assume that he ran after her, grabbed her and threatened her to come back. **yes I am exaggerating here** I always thought that she went back, because she knew at some level he was correct about her being a witch and she wanted to know more.

But the fact that neither Remus nor Sirius even remembers that Snape and Lily were friends suggests that they went their separate paths.

First I think it wasn’t mentioned for the reader's benefit not to figure out the mystery about Snape. I’m with the people who say these are mystery books set in a magical world and not a magical world where there are some mysteries. Second I do believe that Remus and Sirius knew that Lily and Snape were friends. I take it that if they did mention it, it would open a can of worms. Mostly the bullying .

3) Snape offered James and Harry to Voldemort hoping that he could get with Lily after her death.

His situation was a) Let the Potters all die and b) Let only James and Harry die and Lily survive. There were no other options.

Yes. Severus was desperate to save Lily. He wasn’t even thinking about James and Harry. I think. I also think Dumbledore would find it odd if Severus asked for James to be protective.

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#29 · July 31, 2026, 9:55 pm

Quote from Naaga on July 31, 2026, 1:50 am

Quote from luke on July 30, 2026, 10:02 pm

Quote from Naaga on July 30, 2026, 8:46 am

Many readers are seriously convinced Snape is bad. Many people who I consider rational lose their minds when it comes to Snape.

Did you have opinion why they (snaters) that we considered rational people become too biased when it comes to snape, @naaga? I met many harsh teacher and honestly,Snape is not too bad for me (yes,they are many horrible teacher that I met more harsher than snape)

Hating Snape is popular nowadays and, with new generation unable to look and understand grey characters, they need writer explicitly mentioning facts otherwise they take biased views as their own, particularly there's a lot of Conformist bias regarding Snape in the HP fandom.

It has been popular for a long time. I remember around 20 years ago I made a comment in defense of Snape and got all this hate of how horrible he was. It was from a Marauders fan and I was new and naive to fandom and didn't realize how fanatic some people were to their headcanon. I found out some fans don't want to have a conversation, but want to try to belittle Snape fans. I think the Marauders became popular after book 3 and they romanticized them and made them greater than what we got in canon. I find Snape fans passionate for the character and Marauders more fanatical and cult-like. Granted I have never come across someone falls into the group Snape Wives or a Marauders fan who wants to hear the other side.

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#30 · August 1, 2026, 8:44 am

Quote from luke on August 1, 2026, 8:44 am

Quote from IFFIN on July 31, 2026, 9:55 pm

Quote from Naaga on July 31, 2026, 1:50 am

Quote from luke on July 30, 2026, 10:02 pm

Quote from Naaga on July 30, 2026, 8:46 am

Many readers are seriously convinced Snape is bad. Many people who I consider rational lose their minds when it comes to Snape.

Did you have opinion why they (snaters) that we considered rational people become too biased when it comes to snape, @naaga? I met many harsh teacher and honestly,Snape is not too bad for me (yes,they are many horrible teacher that I met more harsher than snape)

Hating Snape is popular nowadays and, with new generation unable to look and understand grey characters, they need writer explicitly mentioning facts otherwise they take biased views as their own, particularly there's a lot of Conformist bias regarding Snape in the HP fandom.

It has been popular for a long time. I remember around 20 years ago I made a comment in defense of Snape and got all this hate of how horrible he was. It was from a Marauders fan and I was new and naive to fandom and didn't realize how fanatic some people were to their headcanon. I found out some fans don't want to have a conversation, but want to try to belittle Snape fans. I think the Marauders became popular after book 3 and they romanticized them and made them greater than what we got in canon. I find Snape fans passionate for the character and Marauders more fanatical and cult-like. Granted I have never come across someone falls into the group Snape Wives or a Marauders fan who wants to hear the other side.

Well,I actually liked marauders after read and watched movie of prisoners of azkaban,and I dont blame snape for hating them (I actually didnt like how sirius prank using his own bestfriend for scaring someone and james bragging about him saving severus life)

And After I read SWM and reread the book,My likes toward them turned into dust. If they admitted they are bullies in front of harry beforr SWM,I see them as Adult. But after seeing they defend themselves,I realize I liked A bullies that trying to justify themselves for their hatred for oddball who loved learning dark arts. And especially seeing marauders fans defended them fanatically while they always called snape wizard nazi (I loved history and seeing fans compare death eater to nazi is making me cringe,because for me theNazi is destroying one continent in just 6 years of war while death eater harmful is only one year)

Quote from IFFIN on July 31, 2026, 9:55 pm

Quote from Naaga on July 31, 2026, 1:50 am

Quote from luke on July 30, 2026, 10:02 pm

Quote from Naaga on July 30, 2026, 8:46 am

Many readers are seriously convinced Snape is bad. Many people who I consider rational lose their minds when it comes to Snape.

Did you have opinion why they (snaters) that we considered rational people become too biased when it comes to snape, @naaga? I met many harsh teacher and honestly,Snape is not too bad for me (yes,they are many horrible teacher that I met more harsher than snape)

Hating Snape is popular nowadays and, with new generation unable to look and understand grey characters, they need writer explicitly mentioning facts otherwise they take biased views as their own, particularly there's a lot of Conformist bias regarding Snape in the HP fandom.

It has been popular for a long time. I remember around 20 years ago I made a comment in defense of Snape and got all this hate of how horrible he was. It was from a Marauders fan and I was new and naive to fandom and didn't realize how fanatic some people were to their headcanon. I found out some fans don't want to have a conversation, but want to try to belittle Snape fans. I think the Marauders became popular after book 3 and they romanticized them and made them greater than what we got in canon. I find Snape fans passionate for the character and Marauders more fanatical and cult-like. Granted I have never come across someone falls into the group Snape Wives or a Marauders fan who wants to hear the other side.

Well,I actually liked marauders after read and watched movie of prisoners of azkaban,and I dont blame snape for hating them (I actually didnt like how sirius prank using his own bestfriend for scaring someone and james bragging about him saving severus life)

And After I read SWM and reread the book,My likes toward them turned into dust. If they admitted they are bullies in front of harry beforr SWM,I see them as Adult. But after seeing they defend themselves,I realize I liked A bullies that trying to justify themselves for their hatred for oddball who loved learning dark arts. And especially seeing marauders fans defended them fanatically while they always called snape wizard nazi (I loved history and seeing fans compare death eater to nazi is making me cringe,because for me theNazi is destroying one continent in just 6 years of war while death eater harmful is only one year)

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